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hobo_dan
Social climber
Minnesota
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Topic Author's Original Post - May 7, 2010 - 07:10pm PT
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Not counting the land I am in the middle of a project- I want to try and build a small home (approx 1000ft square) for $20K. I want to really max the insulation- 12 -16" walls and max out the ceiling insulation also. The goal is if a ghost farted in the house it would warm it up.
Kind of loosely following the passive house format.
I have been buying windows all winter- I have about 15 Pella windows-mostly double hung, almost all are new or in excellent shape for an average purchase price of abour $55/window.
I have about 60 Doug Fir 20' 2 X 12's for the joists and about 1100 square feet of Doug Fir T & G
Metalbestos 6"Chimney and some really nice wood burning stoves(waterford and Morso)
It seems like I stumble on one good deal /week. This week was 40 ft2 of oak flooring for free
This project is brought to you by Craigslist- the easiest way to find stuff
I am eyeballing 5-20 acres up by L. Superior in N. Minnesota.
I have a couple of big sheds and I figure it will take me a couple of years to line up the material. So far I am about $4000 into it.
I'll keep posting to inform if this project is succesful.
I hope to retire in about four years. I like to build stuff and I like to hunt for deals- this should be a way to keep me from getting too bored
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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What a great idea if you have the space to store things. Why only 100 square feet?
Edit: misread. 1000 square feet. Thats a nice size. I'm working on a plan for an 800 square foot home because in the county I live in, that size saves me the school taxes, which are significant.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Don't ferget to climb Shovel Point, Palisades, etc.
oh, and bring the bug spray.
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hobo_dan
Social climber
Minnesota
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Topic Author's Reply - May 7, 2010 - 07:27pm PT
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The 100 was a typo- I meant a 1000 feet square- I am thinking of two stories 20' X 30'
Subtract approx 100 ft square for the 12" wall insulation and that gives about 500 feet/floor.
I am not going to go with a basement- I am going to pour some grade beams over a gravel trench foundation
I am kind of hunting for expensive things that sneak up on you, and when you have to buy them new your out $200- stuff like sinks, faucets, tyvek, paint (good paint for a dollar a can at Sherwin Williams- mis-tints- what do I care what shade of eggshell it is- I'm just going to pour them all together inot a big bucket, mix it up and slap it on).
There are a lot of kitchen cabinets for sale with all of the remodel projects going on. I'm thinking I can get a kitchen for about $1000
I'm keeping things simple- linoleum countertop, L Shaped kitchen. One bath and pretty much wide open floor plans for both floors.
I am going to splurge and go with a metal roof to let the heavy snows sluff off in winter
A screen porch for the mosquitos because they can get tough up there
I'm looking for some 2 X 6 decking material for the porch floor
I'm looking for a place within a mile of two of some ski trails
I have more windows than I can use right now- too much heat loss but I'll sell or give away what I don't use
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Save the windows for a workshop. Or trade them for things you need. I have wanted to do this for a long time. You can really find great deals if you have the time.
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hobo_dan
Social climber
Minnesota
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Topic Author's Reply - May 7, 2010 - 07:34pm PT
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It is amazing what is out there. I also like the idea of trying to recycle as much material as I can
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Graniteclimber has sited Ted Kaczinski's cabin
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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So cool to hear your plan, against the tide of McMansions.
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MisterE
Social climber
Across Town From Easy Street
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I drew up plans for an under-14K open-space designed straw-bale house a few years back. It's probably a bit more now, but still under 20K I would guess.
It is just the rough structure: decisions on doors, windows, stucco, roofing material, and interior finishing are not included, but it is 30'9" X 30'9" so just under 1000 square feet. The "strawcture" is R-50 insulation (cool in summer, warm in winter).
PM me if you want the plans, materials/tools list, etc.
I ran a couple of self-homebuilding workshops out of Bend Oregon on this design in the late 1990's, so it is super straight-forward.
Erik "Baler" Wolfe
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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The Unabomber cabin was 120 square feet (10 x 12) and so would be bigger then was in the OP.
1000 square feet will be so much more livable, but harder to accomplish for under $20,000.
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Auto-X Fil
Mountain climber
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That's a fantastic project. If you keep up the bargain hunting you should be able to meet that price point.
The big catch would be inspections and such - if you're in the sticks it should be minimal.
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hobo_dan
Social climber
Minnesota
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Topic Author's Reply - May 7, 2010 - 08:49pm PT
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Inspections should be OK- I'll frame it to code 16" O.C. I was going o build double 2 X 6 walls with a 2-4" Styrofoam spacer to break up the heat transfer. And use standard 6/12 pitch trusses for the roof
Wire and pipe are getting expensive! Blame it on Butte for shutting down Anaconda
I'm actually pretty excited about this-one of my wild ass guess goals is to be able to heat it on one cord of wood/winter. Not sure if that is possible.
I'd like to try and capture as much waste heat as possible
Pretty fun to think about
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chez
Social climber
chicago ill
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HOBO, is your land at the North Shore by chance?
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hobo_dan
Social climber
Minnesota
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Topic Author's Reply - May 7, 2010 - 09:38pm PT
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We do have some property about ten miles inland From shovel point up HWY 1 by the town of Finland but I am thinking about looking for something further up the shore- Fantasy would be a mile or two out of Grand Marais. Too poor to own right on the lake- maybe someday if I ever grow up
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chez
Social climber
chicago ill
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Ive been to Palasade Head and shovel Pt a handfull of times. Beautiful area. Let me know if you need help.
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hobo_dan
Social climber
Minnesota
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Topic Author's Reply - May 7, 2010 - 09:41pm PT
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The problem with undeground is that it seems those things always crack and end up leaking- So I am keeping the concrete work simple and up in the air. My plan is to insulate the crawl space and the floor.
The insulation is going ot be an expensive part of the job- I'm thinking that that is something that I'll buy new because its such a drag to handle- rather just do that job once
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hobo_dan
Social climber
Minnesota
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Topic Author's Reply - May 7, 2010 - 09:47pm PT
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Chez- Thanks for the generous offer- I thought that climbing at Shovel Point was one of the most beautiful places ever
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