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Karl Baba
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Yosemite, Ca
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Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 30, 2005 - 12:04pm PT
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It's bound to happen. Let it happen in one place for the most part, this little thread.
Tom Delay was indicted...Discus
Since I started it, I won't weigh in yet.
Peace
Karl
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Hootervillian
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Lickskillet, AL
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Sep 30, 2005 - 12:17pm PT
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It would almost appear Tom DeLay (not that I condone money-laundering and conspiracy) and Lynndie England have something in common. Both really do not belong on the 'Front' page. Right now I would like to know a little more about HCA and those 'distinguished gentlemen' the Frist's.
"Republican senator Chuck Grassley (R-IA), asserted that the $1.7 billion deal hardly covered the awesome fraud perpetuated by HCA."
"I had to badger the Justice Department to see the math in this case,” Grassley remarked. "At the last minute, the Justice Department agreed to show my investigators why this settlement was the best the government could do. There's no way to know exactly how much HCA pocketed. This case is so complicated, and so huge, that no one will ever know exactly how much HCA took. This case is troubling because it shows how one company, with unbridled greed, systematically defrauded the government's health care programs."
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Family_company_of_Senate_leader_made_0929.html
Ya know FT, you have been right all along. I wish those liberals would quit their whining and let Senator Grassley speak.
"WARNING- Objects in the mirror may be closer than they appear" Mountain Mans Lexus
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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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Sep 30, 2005 - 12:46pm PT
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ahhh, ain't the hubris of power a crazy thing? When I saw Delay had been indicted it made my day. Maybe the day of Machiavellian politics in America is drawing down just a wee bit. Too bad none of em will serve the time they so richly deserve. Well at least in the type lockup schmos like us would get, you know the one, with Bubba as a cellmate, and not a tennis raquet in sight.
fattrad, on the other hand, might still get to meet Bubba, but that's only because he hangs out on ST.
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WBraun
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Sep 30, 2005 - 12:53pm PT
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Politics & Politicians: …. diplomacy, fraud, cheating, these are the general qualification of the Politician.
And still we spend our hours analyzing their qualities.
Those qualities are the direct reflection of ourselves.
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arete
Trad climber
Estes Park, Colorado
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Sep 30, 2005 - 01:09pm PT
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"I attend several briefings every year put on by Attorneys on how best to circumvent campaign finance laws."
Sounds like YOU are part of the problem. Our current special interest money driven political climate allows people with little ethics or honesty endless oportunities.
Campaign finance laws are certainly not perfect, but generally they are enacted to prevent ethical and criminal abuse of our democratic system. 'Circumventing' them goes against the spirit of the law if not the letter.
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the Fet
Trad climber
Loomis, CA
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Sep 30, 2005 - 01:10pm PT
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Delay reminds me of Bin Laden. "God is on my side so I'm justified to do any evil, unethical acts, because in my eyes my cause is just." What they don't realize is that it doesn't matter what 'side' you're on, it's your actions which are right or wrong.
As bad as the democrats are, this is just another example of how we need to clean out the republican majority and give democrats control for a while to undo some of the damage the republicans are causing for average people in our country. Then after 8 years we'll need the republicans back in there before the democrats screw things up too badly for their special interests.
It's a good thing presidents can only serve 2 terms.
The whole gutting of the endangered species act is another disgusting expample of the greed of the current republicans overriding the common good of all Americans. They're a great party if you're a rich, greedy, evangelical who doesn't care about common goods or our posterity. I like to think that there are good people in the party, like McCain, but he seems to be following lockstep with the rest of them these days. I guess if he didn't their current climate of forcing their agenda through intimidation and reprisals would force him out.
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WBraun
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Sep 30, 2005 - 01:12pm PT
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Fattrad it was not meant towards yourself as a personal attack or anyone else. As you can see I also placed myself into the loop by the use of:
” Those qualities are the direct reflection of ourselves.”
Only a fully liberated soul is free from the propensity of cheating and fraud.
We are not. We not only will cheat and make mistakes, But we are force to do these.
Best regards, Werner
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Hootervillian
climber
Lickskillet, AL
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Sep 30, 2005 - 01:14pm PT
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fattrad,
Any thoughts as to the timing of this 'Apparently, legal scandel'?
Why would those "liberals" front something so easily dismissable?
I sure hope this isn't another one of the Dan Ratheresque™ liberal schemes again.
Hey Fet,
You should see the Real Estate arm of the LDS.
"Fill Dodger Stadium it would." Yoda
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smidogg
Trad climber
berkeley
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Sep 30, 2005 - 01:19pm PT
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Let's also not forget that Rove and Libby might be in a bit of a Pickle here as well.
Here is the full take down list
Delay
Frist
Rove
Libby
Kinda hard to spin that these are not isolated incidences, not representative of the general methods and practices of the republican party.
Nov 2006 is starting to look pretty darn good.
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Hootervillian
climber
Lickskillet, AL
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Sep 30, 2005 - 01:29pm PT
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...and the 'bigger than Rove' pickle.
The way I read it, KR does not have the security clearance.
All leads point to the top...more? at 5pm™...
..as to the Sen. DeLay issue...."..Me, I don’t give a sh-it.." WBraun
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Trashman
Trad climber
SLC
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Sep 30, 2005 - 02:29pm PT
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Fattrad said ". . .future Gates' generations .."
not unless they're as bright as dad. he's giving it away almost as quickly as he's making it. he's also a major proponent of NOT eliminating the estate tax. i've also heard him say that he told his kids they shouldn't plan on anything being left when he's gone.
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arete
Trad climber
Estes Park, Colorado
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Sep 30, 2005 - 02:40pm PT
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"Otherwise Bill Gates and future Gates generations will buy the presidency."
Bill Gates buys a president
Exxon/Mobil buys a president
Little or no difference to me -- I can't afford a president. Hell, I can't even afford to get a town alderman to shine my shoes.
"McCain Supporter (Best we could get McCain/Feingold Bill)"
Best we could get with every lobbyist and special interest in the country and their bought-and-paid-for allies in public office fighting against it... possibly. But best that we need? Far from it.
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Ouch!
climber
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Sep 30, 2005 - 05:46pm PT
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The problem is fundamental to the genesis. If all those neocons and fundamentalist fanatics who were created 6,000 years ago had been given more time to evolve, they might have developed thinking abilities and become rational humans.
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seamus mcshane
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Sep 30, 2005 - 06:56pm PT
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Funny, but I love the anonymous quote from the Revolutionary War regarding Patriotism,
"A country must always be willing to protect itself FROM it's government." That's what the Framers thought a Patriot should be.
My how things have changed in this era of Bush/Fascism.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Sep 30, 2005 - 09:04pm PT
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There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and fools.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 30, 2005 - 10:23pm PT
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There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and fools.
Then as a correlary there must be only two types of Democrats.
Poverty pimps and whores.
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426
Sport climber
Wartburg, TN
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Sep 30, 2005 - 10:33pm PT
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TGT:"Then as a correlary there must be only two types of Democrats. Poverty pimps and whores."
Got a problem with whores, TGT?
Enforcing "your morality™" on others? You kind of sound like an Islamic fundamentalist, if so....
Jeffie, Madi, Jay and pretty much all the other founding fathers save for Adams (he was awesome at "GOD-offs™") are against you on this one...
Read that Constitution™...
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Spinmaster K-Rove
Trad climber
Stuck Under the Kor Roof
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Sep 30, 2005 - 10:34pm PT
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"Otherwise Bill Gates and future Gates generations will buy the presidency. "
Who buys the Presidency now, Fatty?
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