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UncleDoug
Social climber
N. lake Tahoe
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Feb 18, 2008 - 01:47pm PT
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Yup, Jeff, it's just you taking out your arse again.
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crackfiend
climber
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Feb 18, 2008 - 01:49pm PT
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How many people get permits for photography? According to this doc anyone intending to sell photos they take has to get one. I would guess hardly anyone does. Is this enforced at all?
(b) Still photography of any vehicle, or other articles of commerce or models
for the purpose of commercial advertising.
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crackfiend
climber
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Feb 18, 2008 - 03:18pm PT
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so every photo of yos that shows up in the climbing mags or gear catalogs has been ok'd by the park??? what is their pull of the rewards?
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Jerry Dodrill
climber
Bodega, CA
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Feb 19, 2008 - 04:15am PT
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"Possession of a glass container within 50 feet of any riverbank, lakeshore, on the water, or in a vessel is prohibited."
Whoa! Drink from a can at the bridge, eh?
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Feb 19, 2008 - 10:59am PT
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Since the park is actually owned by the public and not the National Park Service, does that mean that the public (by a majority) have to okay any images taken in the park?
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Feb 19, 2008 - 11:15am PT
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No, Patrick.
The rights to national park usage are set by Congress. The CFRs are regulations written by a Federal agency under a specific power granted to them to do so.
That power can be altered at any time by an act of Congress and signature by the President, or an override of a veto.
Been that way since they were set up.
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Domingo
Trad climber
El Portal, CA
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Feb 19, 2008 - 11:16am PT
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Well, US nukes are technically owned by the public too...
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slobmonster
Trad climber
berkeley, ca
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Feb 19, 2008 - 11:35am PT
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You may (or may not) recall Chris Davenport's ski film a few winters back, I think it was called "Ski the Fourteeners."
The USFS successfully stopped him from including footage (in the final release) that had been filmed without a requisite permit, and/or inside Wilderness.
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Domingo
Trad climber
El Portal, CA
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Feb 19, 2008 - 11:36am PT
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Also, it's nice to know that hitch-hiking is still legal!
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Jay Wood
Trad climber
Fairfax, CA
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Feb 19, 2008 - 11:44am PT
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page 6
(weirdly, The pasted copy won't show up when I post to the thread)
Also interesting regs re spreading cremated remains (permitted, with restrictions)
I had assumed that would be prohibited.
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The Alpine
Big Wall climber
Tampa, FL
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Feb 19, 2008 - 01:19pm PT
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Slack lines must not be left unattended except under the following conditions:
36 CFR § 1.5(a)(2); 36 CFR § 1.5(f), 36 CFR § 2.22(a)(2), 36 CFR 5.13
• Park visitors registered in Camp 4 may leave slack lines installed within 200 feet of the
boundary of Camp 4 for the period of their stay in Camp 4 provided the lines do not
create a hazardous condition or interfere with the orderly management of the park. Slack
lines left in or near Camp 4 must be tagged to identify the owner.
• Upon approval by the Superintendent or the Superintendent’s designee, park residents
may leave slack lines installed within 200 feet of their housing unit provided the lines do
not create a hazardous condition or interfere with the orderly management of the park.
Slack lines are inherently an attractive hazard and negatively impact the scenic value of the resource;
however, the repeated installation of slack lines in the same area may cause more resource damage than
lines left in place.
• Slack lines must not be attached to oak trees.
36 CFR § 1.5(a)(2); 36 CFR § 2.1(a)(1)(ii)
Oaks are declining in parts of California and the groves in Yosemite Valley are not reproducing successfully.
• Trees used as slack line anchors must be padded so as to minimize damage to the trees.
36 CFR § 1.5(a)(2); 36 CFR § 2.1(a)(1)(ii)
Slack lines have caused significant damage to trees in the park.
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Domingo
Trad climber
El Portal, CA
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Feb 19, 2008 - 01:26pm PT
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You'll also find a few things saying you're not supposed to fix lines, camp out at the base of a climb the night before an ascent (exceptions made ONLY for Half Dome), and a few other things that suggest climbers are in pretty constant violation of park rules.
You'd think they'd have made an exception for El Cap by now as they apparently don't care about all the people fixing lines and sleeping there.
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Feb 19, 2008 - 01:27pm PT
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Hey Nanook, you payin' attention here?????
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Feb 19, 2008 - 01:35pm PT
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this below means we need to get rid of rap slings too by implication.
which means more bolts to rap from.
gosh, wow, bolts preserving the environment, imagine that.
• Slack lines must not be attached to oak trees.
36 CFR § 1.5(a)(2); 36 CFR § 2.1(a)(1)(ii)
Oaks are declining in parts of California and the groves in Yosemite Valley are not reproducing successfully.
• Trees used as slack line anchors must be padded so as to minimize damage to the trees.
36 CFR § 1.5(a)(2); 36 CFR § 2.1(a)(1)(ii)
Slack lines have caused significant damage to trees in the park.
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
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Feb 19, 2008 - 01:57pm PT
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"According to this doc anyone intending to sell photos they take has to get one. I would guess hardly anyone does. Is this enforced at all?
(b) Still photography of any vehicle, or other articles of commerce or models for the purpose of commercial advertising."
Unless there have been drastic changes, this (first sentence) isn't true. Keep in mind I haven't read the new document. Also, the above lines don't say the same thing, to begin with.
You have to get releases for all kinds of things, in and outside of the park, in order to use images in commercial advertising. Both model and property. You can shoot all you want without permits, but no one will use the images without these releases. That's just the nature of the beast. However, for shooting photos for fine art and editorial use, there is no permit required to shoot or sell.
The only permit (again, unless this has drastically changed, which I doubt) you would be required to get in Yosemite is if you are shooting a movie or big project which would cause undue fuss. Shooting pics of El Cap, Half Dome, Ricky Rock Climber on The Rostrum, etc. require no permit for shooting or sales. It would be a neat trick to make this otherwise, as there would be no real way/person to assign copyright.
For instance, the Eiffel Tower is a copyrighted structure. In order to use images of the tower, while lit, you technically need a release. The difference being the tower itself and the lighting are objects thought up, created/built and owned by men. This is not so with a cliff or waterfall.
Might want to re-read the parts about photography...
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WanderlustMD
Trad climber
Lanham MD
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Feb 19, 2008 - 01:58pm PT
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Wow, that's a lot of rules....
I wish the camping limit was higher, I'm going to want to spend more than 30 days in the valley...
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BadInfluence
Mountain climber
Dak side
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Feb 19, 2008 - 02:35pm PT
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Jerry D. do you have a commercial license to sell your landscape photos?
i was asked by a state park manager if i had a license. don't know if i need one for landscapes
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Domingo
Trad climber
El Portal, CA
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Feb 19, 2008 - 04:31pm PT
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Munge:
I'm pretty sure that (at least as it reads) doesn't apply to rap rings and webbing, only slacklines, so it doesn't necessitate bolts. I actually haven't noticed too many raps off of oaks anyway, and the ones that are off canyon live oaks (the shrubby ones that aren't protected).
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Feb 20, 2008 - 08:33am PT
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TradIsGood, I was trying to be facetious, guess I failed.
Great news, how much of a nuke do I own if I have to split it with 300 million other Americans?
Enough to bomb a certain ranch in Texas?
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