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Nor Cal
Trad climber
San Mateo
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Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 2, 2004 - 10:13am PT
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I was in the Valley last weekend and noticed something new in the rangers cars and trucks. The rangers are now carrying M-16 (AR-15?) rifles as well as their shotguns and side arms.
My bro approached the ranger and asked them (two talking to each other) "what are the big guns for?", the male ranger replied "everything".
What do the rangers need this fire power for?
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Jody
Mountain climber
CA
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Why shouldn't they have it?
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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I think its pretty sad. Read the NPS morning reports for a couple of months...and you'll see that they deal with some bad situations.
Can't imagine how much it costs to qualify and stay trained on that type of firepower (I think they are AR's).
Ugh...
-Brian in SLC
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WBraun
climber
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Where've you been? They've had them for years. You just never noticed them.
"What do the rangers need this fire power for?"
Obviously if you lived here long enough you would know why. There have been many incidences where they where required. Has nothing to do with climbers whatsoever. Everthing going on outside the park also comes in........
Werner
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Dave
Mountain climber
Fresno
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What, have the squirrels mutated? An m-16 fires too small a caliber for bears. Can't imagine them actually using one on humans. Must be penis envy.
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Apocalypsenow
Trad climber
Cali
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Yes...they have had them for years. But, having been trained with both the m-16 and riot shotgun, I see know reason for the m-16.
Fire that shotgun, or even load a round in the chamber and if you don't stop dead in your tracks you are deaf! (which in a "shoot don't shoot" sceniero I blew away a deaf guy...but that is another story)
good day to all, time to get on that wall! (be otch)
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Nor Cal
Trad climber
San Mateo
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 2, 2004 - 11:45am PT
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I have no problem with the rangers having M-16s, I was suprised to see it mounted in the cab of the car. Perhaps they have had them for years and I never noticed.
I suppose I always has a better view of Yosemite. I dont think of the park as a place for gang banging-crack smoking punks.
I do know that rangers often work alone and they are more likely to be assulted (than other law enforcement officers), but do they approach the rowdy crowds with M-16 in hand.
As park visitors we are supposed to register any guns we bring in, do people follow this rule?
So what do they use them for? Werner, can you give me an incident where they used an M-16.
I am a gun owner, my father was a cop for over 32 years, I have no problem with authority or guns. I am just curious.
I never thought it a climber issue, perhaps I am stiring it up a bit, but its fun.
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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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"So if a nut job is shooting at you with a rifle from 500 yards..."
Then an M16 won't do much good cause their effective range is 300 yards for the most part, also it's not that big of firepower, especially if they don't have a full auto option. But myself I think it would look cooler if they used AK47s, now if they had M203s, that would be some mo betta fire power. Have a granade launcher under the M16..WOOHOOO..watch out Yogi and BooBoo!!
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kismetcapitan
Trad climber
Seoul Korea
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I watched Dan Osman get arrested in the Camp 4 parking lot - it was for that "filming without a permit" bullshit but the enormous .38 they pulled out of the cab of his truck did not help his situation one iota.
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dougs510
Trad climber
Nashville, TN.
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I shot expert with an M-16, that means effectivness from 500 yards required.... A good Marine Crops sniper can kill a person from 1000 yards with an M-16
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Camp Perry in the last few years is/was going to M-16's. Long distance accuracy.
Brian in SLC
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Jody
Mountain climber
CA
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"I shot expert with an M-16, that means effectivness from 500 yards required.... A good Marine Crops sniper can kill a person from 1000 yards with an M-16"
Thank you for clarifying that. I am an instructor for shotgun, handgun, and AR-15. The AR-15(especially the model made by Bushmaster) is incredibly effective at long ranges. Especially using the 60 grain soft point on top of 25+ grains of BLC2 powder. That pushes that baby out there at 3200fps.
Think about it. Federal land, buildings, and employees are prime targets for attack, especially nowadays. The LE rangers should have as much firepower as possible.
"I still prefer my M1A ( M14 clone ) in .308."
Purchased mine with a fiberglass military stock. Had a custom match wood stock fitted to it, glass-bedded the barrel, had the trigger tuned up, and promptly shot a four shot clover-leaf from prone at 100+ yards. The only problem with the M1A is the bulkiness and the weight. The AR-10(.308 in AR-15 configuration) would be the way to go for LE.
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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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My bad..looks like my old infantry training is about as dated as my memory. Little VietNam aka Ft. Polk LA...ugh..what a bad place that was
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Jody
Mountain climber
CA
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"My bad..looks like my old infantry training is about as dated as my memory"
Maybe you are so old that your infantry training was with the M1 carbine,effective range about 30'? LOL!
P.S. Thank you for your service!
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Dapper Dan
climber
The OC
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i shot a pepsi can off of the fence in my backyard at 11 yards. Daisy....9 pumps. enough said
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Jody
Mountain climber
CA
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LOL!
I shot a full Pepsi can out of a muffler pipe using the old hairspray ignition(concept behind the potato gun) and the thing went a quarter mile.
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pinkpoint
Social climber
Nevada
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homeland security.
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Ben Rumsen
Mountain climber
Sacramento, CA
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My M1A has a McMillan fiberglass stock, rear lugged S. A. reciever fully bedded, trigger job, match sights and a Krieger 1:10 twist barrel. Heavy, but shoots .75 minute of angle out to 600 yards ( maybe further - have never tried 1000 yds. ). Of course, my AR 15 has a Krieger stainless barrel too.......
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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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Jody...nawww I'm not that old, and luckily my time as a ground pounder/bullet catcher was short lived. But on the other hand it was way to much fun shooting all those nice big caliber weapons they let people like me shoot. I mean there's nothing nicer then a 50 cal machine gun mounted on a track. talk about range...we used to have night firing exerices with the 81mm mortors, 4.2 mortors, 50 cals and 106 recoiless rifles all on the same range at night. Talk about trails and tracers...woohoo
back to the rangers, maybe we should arm them with potato cannons. LOL
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