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cintune
climber
Penn's Woods
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Also a good idea not to tie the knot right over the middle of the foot. Off to either side keeps unwanted pressure off the tendons there. Just sayin'.
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SammyLee
Trad climber
Memphis
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I must be an even slower learner than I suggested before. Maybe time to join the village idiot club perhaps. Cause the video looks different from what I was doing trying to follow the instructions. - "Basically, instead of making one loop around one bight with the other after the half hitch, you loop around the same bight again, adn set as usual." -
I made the half hitch as usual. Then I formed the first (right) loop. Then I was taking the single strand (left), going around the first loop (right wing of the butterfly) twice, feeding it back through and forming the second loop (left wing of the butterfly)
But that is not exactly what I see happening on the video. In my version, one of the free strings is much shorter than the other. In the video it looks like the the whole right loop is wrapped back through. I tried it that way and it works, but one free string will not pull free. Duh.
Maybe I'll send the video link to my niece and then she can teach me.
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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That's the wrong way to do it! You're going to die if you do it this way!!!
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caughtinside
Social climber
Davis, CA
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Haven't you wankers ever heard of tensioned opposition!?!!?
I once climbed with a guy who freeclimbed moonlight onsite!!!
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 5, 2006 - 07:12pm PT
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Shameless bump, partly bacause I KNOW Caughtinzipper can't figure this out.
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caughtinside
Social climber
Davis, CA
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Dirt,
would you please provide us out west with a full and complete list of the Southern Climbing Legends that you know and climb with that all utilize this revolutionary new way of tieing your shoes?
Because I'm afraid if you're the only one who does it, that I just can't get on board.
Please advise.
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bdaddy
climber
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Dirt, is this a friggin joke? has it really come to this? You have once again lowered the bar on internet bufoonery and played the fool. Can you find nothing better to do with your time?????? WHY DO YOU POST ON ST??? you climb 5.5 dirt gullies in AL and wet choss in GA. Start your own page, www.chossandworthlessinfo.org but stop subjecting real climbers to this nonsense, I implore you, and stop telling people where your from it gives us a bad name.
your pal BD
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 5, 2006 - 09:32pm PT
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BIg Dud, you are not my pal.
Keep on hiding though, it would sure be embarrassing to come out now after all the crap you've posted over the years as an anonymous jerk-off.
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WBraun
climber
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Hey
I just tried it, and it works pretty good. Pretty cool!
Hahahaha, .... you can teach old dogs new tricks .......
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 6, 2006 - 10:27am PT
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Hey Sammylee, I sympathize with you man. Found some better diagrams for you.
Here's one more. This guy Ian, he reinvented Ashley's 1219, the double slip knot. He was good enough to credit Ashley. Ian's diagram is outstanding. Much better than a movie. Good luck!
http://www.fieggen.com/shoelace/secureknot.htm
Ashley's 1216, AKA the double shoe string knot, is the knot I made the movie about.
IF you want to stick with the one I gave in the movie, I think Ian's page has a diagram of 1216 too.
Werner, may it serve you well. I've almost never had to retie my climbing shoes, or soccer shoes, or any other shoes for that matter, because they came untied, once I started using this knot, over 25 years ago.
What amazes me is that both of these knots were once commonplace, but somehow got lost to the general public. I don't see how something that is so much better than the knot we all know now can fall from favor.
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Teth
climber
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Interesting variation on the shoe knot, but the double shoe knot has served me well over the years and I am not sure your knot is easier or faster. Granted, you have to know the trick to untying a double shoe knot, but I have it so sequenced now that I do it without thinking about it and seldom have an any trouble or delay in untying it. Is your knot easier to untie than a double shoe knot?
Teth
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Actually, after examining the last link you posted I see it is not that hard to tie and would be easier to untie. Does this really hold as well as the double shoe knot? If so, it might be “the better way” to tie your shoe. You should get Pete to try it.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 6, 2006 - 03:50pm PT
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HEHE, Teth, you joker.
Pete don't like my knots.
THE knot I made the movie about will stay in, but don't take my word for it, try it for yourself and see. Be sure and set it well, as with all knots.
One friend who had shoes with notorious self-untying laces said this knot changed his life, LOL.
Plus, it is a low profile knot, handy for rappel situations, unlike the one you were tying, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! (That's a joke)
The second knot while very close to the first, may actually hold slightly better, but I know the movie knot works so well, I don't need to try another myself.
Old tech rules!!!!
PS one other little trick I figured out as a kid was to tie stopper knots in the lace ends-- this keeps the ends from pulling out of the shoe eyes by accident, and you can make the ends just the right length so that they are not too long when the knot is finished.
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oldfart
climber
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Dirt,
You've done some breathtaking work in the past, but this presentation, all on its own, is a hallmark that establishes you, once and for all time, as the king of the dipshits.
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Clarke Brogger
Mountain climber
Laguna Beach, Ca
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one question...
why is the guy so out of breath throughout the entire video. sounds like he's running a marathon. poor sod.
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bdaddy
climber
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"You've done some breathtaking work in the past, but this presentation, all on its own, is a hallmark that establishes you, once and for all time, as the king of the dipshits."
This sums it up quite nicely, what kind of a jerk-off references knot books for shoe tying....oh wait I know, must be a gumby with waaaaay too much time on his hands. Dirt quit now, you have hit rock bottom.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 7, 2006 - 12:09am PT
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The idiot in the video sounds out of breath because of chemo therapy.
You really should try it. THere's no tan like a chemo tan.
As for the merit of the shoe tying tips, gee, some people appreciated em. Now let's see, what exactly have big dud and oldfarter ever contributed, besides crap?
Why, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
Every dog has its fleas.
What kind of MORON would snear at something as good and useful as these shoe knots? Maybe the same kind that never has anything good to say about anything? And what sort of fool would refuse to try em out, especially after several people found em useful and said so? Hmmmm.
It takes a very special sort of person to be that proud of their ignorance.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 8, 2006 - 01:58pm PT
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Holy cow, that's some lacing!
I wrote the guy who made that site, he's pretty nice.
His diagrams are the best I ever saw.
Glad you liked it too!
We really owe Locker a debt of gratitude for this, I made the movie and found the site sort of as a joke response to his shoe tying joke.
Ashley's is a GREAT knot book, but that site with those cool diagrams really makes it easy for anyone to tie those knots.
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Oct 17, 2006 - 03:04pm PT
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Thanks that shoe tying trick is great. I works great with those stupid round laces on dress shoes. My brother and I both thank you for this trick. It works!
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