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jewedlaw
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San Francisco, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 22, 2008 - 05:03pm PT
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Some of my friends want to go on a backpacking trip this summer and avoid the crowds in Yosemite (as the most likely date for our trip is July 4th). I proposed Vogelsang, another friend wants to do Lyell.
Which would you suggest for taking a group of veteran car campers, veteran hikers, but virgin backpackers and mountaineers? 2 or 3 days is fine, we can go at our pace. I worry about a glacier on Lyell, I've got gear, but no one else does. Similarly, are there any 5th class routes on the mountains, such that I can go the hard way and meet them at the top? or should I leave the rack at home?
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Apr 22, 2008 - 05:36pm PT
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Two weeks ago in Joshua Tree, when hiking out the boy scout trail, I pass a group of noob backpackers. They were carrying monster packs. Strapped to one guys pack, I kid you not, a large coleman propane reflector heater. Not a stove, a heater.
My advice to you is forget the big peak for the new group. Hike six miles max to Kibby lake or Lady lake. Northern and southern Yosemite respectively. These are away from most crowds. Set up a base camp and you will have plenty of peak bagging around you. The car campers will get use to the isolation and everyone will be happy and not ready to kill you for making them hike too far. This is the voice of experience speaking.
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Gene
climber
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Apr 22, 2008 - 07:14pm PT
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The hike up the Lyell Fork is beautiful and easy. My concern would be monster sun cups on the Lyell Glacier. They would suck the joy right out of any intro climb.
$0.02
GM
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
the secret life of T*R
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Apr 22, 2008 - 08:23pm PT
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vogelsang! great hike for new backpackers... it's only like 7 miles one way.. the only thing i can think of is that it would really suck if you were new to backpacking and not acclimated, since vogelsang is at over 10k... you leave from TM at 8600 feet... you might want to spend a couple nights there if you can, if you are arriving from sea level. that said, it's a beautiful hike and a beautiful spot. early in the year you can do some short snow slides by this waterfall by fletcher creek... we usually do vogelsang as a day hike.
here's me and my cousin fallin asleep on some rocks by fletcher lake one day last july
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
the secret life of T*R
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Apr 22, 2008 - 08:37pm PT
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btw you can go up to vogelsang from the valley but who wants to be down there in summer... plus a 2 day hot, uphill hike (unless you do it in one,) is probly not the best intro to backpacking...
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
the secret life of T*R
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Apr 22, 2008 - 08:47pm PT
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don't forget to pack your climbin shoooz
if u do the vogelsang hike and keep your eyes peeled, you'll find this boulder...
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Gene
climber
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Apr 22, 2008 - 09:27pm PT
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Perfect Adventure:
Play in Vogelsang for as long as you can. The morning after your crew hikes out, take 'em on a stroll up Mt. Dana. Low risk peak with a gawd almighty view on the way up and from the top.
Can I come?
GM
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