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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 13, 2006 - 05:59pm PT
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Nov 13, 2006 - 06:03pm PT
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Right, with me as Sec. of Defense.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 13, 2006 - 06:12pm PT
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The Pat Robertson wing of your party will never go for it.
Edit (and gripe): if only the national Repub party would follow the example of California and actively support moderates.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Nov 13, 2006 - 06:17pm PT
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McCain/Rudy would easily defeat Hillary/Bill. I do believe McCain/Rudy will have a difficult time getting the nomination.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 13, 2006 - 10:28pm PT
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40% of the"Pat Robertson wing" voted Dumbocrat this election.
It's always been a myth that they are some monolithic block.
Watch for a concerted effort to smear both Mcain and Guliani by the media for the next two years.
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john hansen
climber
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Nov 13, 2006 - 10:34pm PT
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But what will they actually do?
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Mimi
climber
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Nov 13, 2006 - 10:36pm PT
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Play more effective hardball.
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john hansen
climber
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Nov 13, 2006 - 10:39pm PT
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I believe you are right Mimi.. Id vote for that ticket
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 13, 2006 - 10:50pm PT
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" 40% of the"Pat Robertson wing" voted Dumbocrat this election. "
Hmmm...I read today that 70% of evangelicals voted for Republicans this time around. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/11/13/MNG23MBN531.DTL
But no matter, even if it was 40% this election, I'd wager it's been much higher past elections. The socially conservative Pat Robertson wing has been a formidable force in Republican politics the past 30 or so years. I'm not really sure why you think this point is debatable.
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Mimi
climber
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Nov 13, 2006 - 10:52pm PT
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They'd make a strong team, but they both want to be Pres. I'd guess McCain with Senate seniority trumps Mayor NYC.
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john hansen
climber
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Nov 13, 2006 - 11:13pm PT
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Guliani can run in 2012. With four years as VP behind him..
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dank
Trad climber
the pitch above you!
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Nov 14, 2006 - 12:13am PT
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Who's gonna replace Condie?
Maybe Mayor NYC's son?
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elcap-pics
climber
Crestline CA
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Nov 14, 2006 - 01:40am PT
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Powell/McCain in any order would be hard to beat and would get the vote of this independent.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Nov 14, 2006 - 01:42am PT
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Two adultary loving, divorce getting, socially liberal Republicans on the ticket in 2008?
Time will tell.
If the Democrats can run folks who hardly represent their values, why not the GOP?
I'll have to market a line of clothespins for folks to wear on their noses on Election Day. I'll be rich.
Once I'm rich, I'll have to consider voting Republican., cause that will be the only Republicans left, the ones who just hate taxes.
The uptight sex-moral crowd will have to find a third party.
Peace
Karl
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Mimi
climber
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Nov 14, 2006 - 01:42am PT
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I don't think General Powell wants any part of that game anymore.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 14, 2006 - 01:47am PT
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Anyone republican that has said a word about Clinton and Lewinsky yet would vote for Giuliani is a hypocrite of pretty grotesque proportions. This guy carried on affairs for years, not minutes and hours and repeatedly lied about them. Giuliani in '08 - please. And Powell, pissed it away for what and for who? He's one of the saddest victim of the Iraq war...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 14, 2006 - 01:53am PT
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I'd agree Lois, but in this case we're talking about a crowd that made a virtual jihad of the issue just a couple of years ago and this same crew will not now be able to turn it into a non-issue for Giuliani. This is another case where, just like this election showed, the people are not quite that dumb - they can smell a hypocrite just fine and in enough numbers to make difference if Giuliani is the nominee in '08.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Nov 14, 2006 - 11:37am PT
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Where I do think having affairs and lying about them is a fault, it's an understandable one, not a deal killer.
But Lois, politics is politics and (despite California electing the gropinator) doesn't turn on a dime. All those GOP "Impeach Clinton" sound-bites will be played over and over if Rudy runs.
Lois wrote
"In fairness to Bush he is not a hypocrite nor is he the "holier than thou" type. On these counts, he is not guilty. Rather, his problem is the assinine belief that because he is "saved" then God is (or must be) on his side and thus he can carry on a constellation of fantasies and delusionary dreams wherein he is a "hero." He actually means well but it is results that count."
How do you know? A Bush admin guy just wrote a book that says Bush, Rove and Crew ridicule the religious right behind their backs. Of course Bush is holier than thou and a hypocrite for condemning some countries for seeking nukes and not beling democratic while ignoring the nukes of Israel, Pakistan and India and stating a willingness to use nukes in non-nuke conflicts. The examples are endless.
Peace
Karl
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Nov 14, 2006 - 12:19pm PT
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Rudy...Married three times and counting...family background a little weak at best. Shows up at ground zero and all of a sudden is a national hero.
Family values....yeah right.
No wonder he is a republican.
You can have him.
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Nov 14, 2006 - 02:08pm PT
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LEB wrote:Whether or not he (or anyone else) keeps it in or out of his pants really does not concern me unless I happen to be married to him. For everyone else, it is wholly irrelevant.
So what's makes old Rudy a great leader???
His ability to lie?
Please explain...will you!
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