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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 20, 2014 - 03:07pm PT
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Yosemite already had a ban through a dubious interpretation of existing law. The new ban will specifically apply to drones in all parks.
No drinking from creeks either. When did that become illegal
http://blog.sfgate.com/stew/2014/06/20/national-park-service-bans-drones/
Visitors to the nation’s 401 National Parks have one more rule to remember before heeding their call to the wild: In addition to not feeding the bears or drinking water from the creek, don’t bring a drone.
National Park Service Director Jonathan Jarvis signed a memorandum Friday that will ban the use of unmanned aircraft across 84 million acres of public lands, saying the hum of the drone is not a fit for some of the nation’s most scenic and untamed real estate.
A person launches a drone in the great outdoors, an activity that the National Park Service prohibited Friday. (Associated Press)
A person launches a drone in the great outdoors, an activity that the National Park Service prohibited Friday. (Associated Press)
Drones outfitted with cameras have increasingly been spotted buzzing the cliff-side faces of presidents at Mount Rushmore in South Dakota. They’ve crashed into walls at the Grand Canyon in Arizona. One even pestered a herd of big horn sheep at Zion National Park in Utah, prompting the young to be separated from their parents.
“We have serious concerns about the negative impact that flying unmanned aircraft is having in parks, so we are prohibiting their use until we can determine the most appropriate policy that will protect park resources and provide all visitors with a rich experience,” Jarvis said in a statement.
Under his order, park superintendents at places like Golden Gate National Recreation Area and Yosemite National Park have 60 days to put drone prohibitions on their books.
The new policy clears up any confusion about whether unmanned aircraft have been legal to fly on park lands.
In some places, park officials have ordered people to ground their drones, citing laws that prevent visitors from harassing wildlife or threatening public safety. Yosemite rangers began a crackdown this spring, saying federal law gave them general powers to halt flight.
Friday’s action provides a uniform rule exclusive to drones. Jarvis’ order will remain in effect until a service-wide prohibition is officially adopted, a process that involves collecting public input and can take a year or more.
Drones have become increasingly popular as their price has dropped and their capabilities have expanded. The devices range in size from a bird to a small plane and often carry cameras to take aerial video or photographs.
In May, rangers at Yosemite began approaching people who flew the devices and let them know the park was no longer tolerating them.
“There are so many things wrong with it,” Yosemite spokesman Scott Gediman told The Chronicle last month. “It’s just not conducive to what we’re trying to do here in Yosemite.”
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Jun 20, 2014 - 05:02pm PT
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I'm glad I just fly RC aircraft..
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Jun 20, 2014 - 07:10pm PT
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In addition to not feeding the bears or drinking water from the creek, don’t bring a drone.
And here I thought the next natural step in YOSAR Rescue would be the unmanned aerial vehicle.
Instead of the Helicopter Rescue getting the tap then arriving on the scene to assess and plan, hour(s) have passed and something irreversible could happen in that time...
Meanwhile, back in my future YOSAR world where from the ranger station a call can come in, another ranger pilot can get the drone headed up to greet and assess the situation within minutes, with their own eyes and ears from the victims mouth... meanwhile, after he hung up the phone ranger one waits to call the copter until after assessment can be made by ranger two, but a plan can be put into place that would allow for the starting the processes of getting the helicopter in the air, but would not waste a thing in shutting down once the assessment comes down from ranger two...
Meanwhile at the assessment, with open communication being available between drone and victim(s) and the ability of the drone to carry any amount of weight (not looked into it, but then again I don't really have to seeing as I'm just a dummy on a climbing web-forum) which may or may not be stocked with who knows the supplies that could be transferred to an awaiting vic in order to stabilize while the tray arrives to pick and call it a day....
but that's just a day dream for a dummy like me....
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crankster
Trad climber
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Jun 20, 2014 - 07:14pm PT
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They have a tendency to crash.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jun 20, 2014 - 08:22pm PT
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Note that this will only apply to the use of drones BY THE PUBLIC.
This will not apply to agency use for appropriate emergency situations, like SAR activities.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2014 - 08:48pm PT
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Drone cached at the top of El cap, in a bird house type structure with a solar panel roof to keep batteries charged. Drone is launched remotely from a command center. The various pitches of each route are already in the system. Pilot plugs in route and pitch, drone goes there. Live feed goes to sar real time. Could even program the video to find the rope and follow it up or down.
Somebody in san Diego got amazing drone video the other day when a 112 foot luxury yacht burned in a shipyard. The drone show is just getting started
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 20, 2014 - 09:30pm PT
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Yeah, the Park Service will be all over toy drones but meanwhile they are totally cool with the
Navy and Air Force tearing up the parks with F-18's and F-16's at all hours.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 21, 2014 - 10:23pm PT
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I'm good with this. Sounds like a good call.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jun 21, 2014 - 11:26pm PT
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hey there say, steveW and ed... thanks for sharing the info links...
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Jun 22, 2014 - 09:34am PT
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Separated at birth? I hardly think so.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 22, 2014 - 10:12am PT
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I understand there was an ice hockey game played in L.A. last week, and the home team did OK.
Some joker thought it would be a good idea to fly a drone over a crowd of people supporting their home team.
The crowd took offense to being overflown - rightly so - and used what they had on hand to bring the drone down safely, before it crashed on its own and wounded God knows who.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
I read somewhere that the cops have what's left of the drone, and its owner can come down to the police officer station and pick it up, no charges to be filed.
Just flying something like that over a crowd - whether or not it crashes - should be considered reckless endangerment.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jun 22, 2014 - 10:15am PT
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More evidence that the kite based camera lobby is a powerful force in Washington.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jul 29, 2014 - 06:49pm PT
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Droneless parks but no droneless narks?
That's sure to bring homeless dopers down.
Running sheep on private land using drones is one thing, but running wild sheep in national parks?
C'mon, Joe Public, use your head for once.
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kaholatingtong
Trad climber
Nevada City
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Jul 29, 2014 - 06:56pm PT
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no drinking from creeks, and before you know it, these will be everywhere. it is, after all, the biggest for profit industry of the future!
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 29, 2014 - 08:25pm PT
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The drone over a fire is just totally asinine.
I was flying a kite a few years ago when I noticed smoke starting to rise from the hills across the street. I pulled the kite down immediately, because where I live a fire means low flying aircraft coming from oddball directions.
Sure enough, fifteen minutes later the spotter planes showed up. Then five minutes later, the bombers were there.
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