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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 1, 2012 - 11:43pm PT
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... with beta to share?
I've been researching it. And thinking about it.
It's a highly personal or subjective thing of course, but I think I'd be willing to sacrifice a few years off the bottom of my longevity if I could have more quality of life now, here, in the present, esp when it comes to outdoor adventure sports (climbing, e.g., barefoot waterskiing) and kicking the asses of punk 20-somethings in whatever.
Also, I have this nagging suspicion HGH along with Vit T, etc. are going to be standard tools for older males down the line (esp those who have the brains and discipline to qualify) when standards and the so-called tribal knowledge change (improve).
Any input welcome.
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P.S. I heard it's relatively expensive. A couple thousand a month. Can anyone verify this? Thanks.
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~kief~
Trad climber
nor-cal
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Better living through chemicals?
Dude,....YOGA,KOMBUCHA,NO STRESS,and 8 hours sleep a night.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Supplementing T, when you don't have an abnormal deficiency for your age is supposed to screw up your natural production, leaving you either always on the supps, or worse off than before if you stop the supps.
HGH studies I've read were inconclusive.
Not up for the aging gracefully bit?
Watch a lot of porn. It boosts T. HGH? Hope you live close to Mexico or have a buddy in pro sports, or a quack doctor that will write you for whatever.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Take a lot and let us know what happens. I say you increase at least 2 number grades. If you were a 5.6 climber you will definately be pulling down at least 5.8 maybe even 5.8+.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Do it in honor of the memory of Lyle Alzedo!
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bmacd
Mountain climber
100% Canadian
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quality control issues arise when one is injecting oneself with body fluids extracted from cadavers
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Oh yeah that is like two number grades per week. You will be pulling down 5.18 in approxamately 6 weeks.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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I've tried some sublingual stuff. I was part of a team selling it on the Internet about 10 years ago.
It can work pretty good. Some people have amazing results.
You could pay big bucks for an MD to inject you or you could get some at a hard core vitamin store, perhaps a reputable US Internet dealer. The site I worked with is gone.
After age 25 your body quits producing it and by 50 or so you are on your own. The book Donald Thompson recommended is the bible on the subject.
I prefer to live and eat well and let mother nature take it's course.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Human growth hormone may cause a number of side effects for healthy adults, including:
* Carpal tunnel syndrome
* Swelling in the arms and legs
* Joint pain
* Muscle pain
* For men, enlargement of breast tissue (gynecomastia)
At least you'll be able to get a job as a pole dancer at the local Hoochie Coochie club when the pro athlete thing doesn't materialize.
You should note that while studies do show decreased body fat and increased
muscle mass, the increased muscle doesn't seem to translate to more strength...a double loss for a climber, you're heavier due to the muscle but no stronger and don't have great control over where the muscle mass is added.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Sub lingual? Ah, no. Placebo effect maybe.
Some websites sell a pill form of human growth hormone and claim that it produces results similar to the injected form of the drug. Sometimes these dietary supplements are called human growth hormone releasers. There's no proof that these claims are true. Likewise, there's no proof that homeopathic remedies claiming to contain human growth hormone work.
BTW, my sources are Mayo. Not the unregulated (thanks Orin Hatch!) supplement industry or some meathead iron rat.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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HGH=Boner Pills
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Do you have to shave your chest if you take HGH?
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WBraun
climber
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Nobody wants to be just plain normal anymore.
Everyone wants to be some superman or superhero these days.
People have lost their brains .....
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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I have heard there is a 12 step program for vitamin C in Europe, but HGH is generally encouraged for the youth.
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WBraun
climber
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Human defects are normal.
That's what makes them perfect,
The highest state a human being can achieve is being just plain normal .....
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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HGH causes carpal tunnel syndrome...? So does porn...
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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will it make you high because i would be down with that,
a milkshake with peyote would be cool also,
it's so dreamy,
thick and creamy,
this is bar b que weather,
any good car wrecks lately?
you know what a grinder is?
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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you got any rebar for sale?
i wanna make some pitons,
whats the bend radius on 1/2 inch?
if i need a U bent that is 10 by 1 by 1, what is the final length needed?
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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Nutritional Express used to sell some supplements that were claimed by the labeling to contain the chemical that another gland produces to get the pituitary to release HGH, simply called HGH releasing hormone. By taking this dose which is not HGH you get your HGH producing gland to release more HGH until it runs out and needs to make more. And herein seems to be the limit of how much HGH you will get into your bloodstream by this method. The unanswered question is that by demanding more HGH by means of the precursor stimulant do we actually increase HGH production?
The manufacturer claimed that this simple 5 molecule (probably 5 protein molecules) HGH releasing hormone naturally occurs in some African bean which they gave the Latin name. This means for you "natural only" eaters that you could eat the bean and get the HGH releasing agent in your gut without doing the "drug". Lawfully possessing the bean (ground up) does not require a prescription.
Was it Paul McCartney that sang the song "Let it Be"? What would it mean if all ST contributors would sing the song, "Let others Be?" We can grow old gracefully if we choose(is doing such natural?), but our minds may have some hang-ups and keep us out of easy grace if we cannot let others do their thing, regardless of how hobgoblin our little minds may see their act.
My experience is as mentioned in the Klatz book that L-glutamine speeds muscular recovery--you can train more or recreate harder and Recover Sooner.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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Jim Brennan,
is smoking pot anything other than just taking a supplement?
Chip Salaum claimed to get his energy from sunlight.
You make some distinctions but your boundaries are fuzzy.
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