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Matt
Trad climber
it's all turtles, all the way dooowwwwwnn!!!!!
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Jan 29, 2012 - 10:16pm PT
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do you think the holes for the poles would take a pretty good green cam?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jan 29, 2012 - 10:19pm PT
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Maybe an orange TCU
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jan 29, 2012 - 10:32pm PT
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For thousands standing on the top of Half Dome has been one of the peak experiences of their lives.
For a small minority of us the cables have been a convenient way down.
A few environazis wish to abolish that for all.
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MH2
climber
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Jan 29, 2012 - 10:48pm PT
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Yup. The brain damaged cousin to the Cerro Torre debate.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jan 29, 2012 - 10:55pm PT
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Descending the cables IS the "unsafely" part!
let's enforce an elitist structure and keep the washed (versus unwashed) masses off the top of Half Dome.
Elitist pricks need only apply.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Jan 29, 2012 - 11:22pm PT
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The nerve!
Scottish trail-builders coming to the US and drilling their way up our virgin "perfectly inaccessible" mountains!
Good riddance!
best post this thread is going to have.
but most posters in this thread will not understand the reference.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jan 29, 2012 - 11:23pm PT
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Both Anderson and Muir were Scots.
If you cut its cables, will Half Dome float away?
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briham89
Trad climber
los gatos. ca
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Jan 29, 2012 - 11:26pm PT
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Snake dike...the new alternative....there will be blood
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jan 29, 2012 - 11:32pm PT
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Just another attempt by the petty bureaucrats to pretend that they are working. They're not: fire their asses and let them get real and productive jobs.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jan 29, 2012 - 11:33pm PT
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Just another attempt by the petty bureaucrats to pretend that they are working. They're not: fire their asses and let them get productive jobs.
Hear, Hear!
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Jan 29, 2012 - 11:49pm PT
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When so much in the world needs Real fixing and people's lives hang in balance whether children (and themselves) will be fed and clothed what is up with all this yammering?
Get a few representatives from each thought group that represents this very delicate, special interest decision and form one that works for all. Not rocket science here, just differences of public opinion that can be resolved.
imho of course, lynnie
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Inner City
Trad climber
East Bay
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Jan 30, 2012 - 12:16am PT
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Ok, so the cables are cut let's say, then what is the rating of that same route once the stuff is gone, 5.3?
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Jan 30, 2012 - 12:19am PT
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Like a bunch of bicyclists telling the government to tear down the freeways. Besides, the cables and trail are currently nominated for listing on the National Register of Historic Places, like Camp 4 already is. Don’t waste your time seeking their removal because that will never happen. My complaint is the regulation and cost; what if you’re on the PCT or JMT and want to wander on up as a side trip? I guess the ticket-taker will now say “no.” There should be flexibility for realistic accommodation.
Edit: without the cables, that route is rated Class 4 on ether side of the cables.
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damo62
Social climber
Brisbane
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Jan 30, 2012 - 12:20am PT
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5.3RX
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dmons
climber
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Jan 30, 2012 - 12:28am PT
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they should just cut steps
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Jan 30, 2012 - 12:31am PT
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I can save y'all a lot of thinking and typing time on this. The cables will stay, and a firmly managed reservation system will be put in place. The NPS will establish a carrying capacity for the trail (probably using methodology developed by Bob Manning out of the University of Vermont to help crunch those numbers) that will determine the number of permits isued per day. There be a permit season, in the shoulder seasons and winter you'll just be able to go do it.
For permits issued during the permit season, I imagine there will be a fee, to manage the reservation/permit system (think Grand Canyon River Trip permit, only seasonal, and on a far more modest and manageable scale.)
The only thing that really surprises me is that they're doing this with an EA.
Expect a lawsuit regardless of where the agency lands on this.
Alan Nelson and his dad climbed up the dome just left of the cables. He said it was like 5.2 or therabouts.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Jan 30, 2012 - 12:39am PT
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I agree, why do an EA at all? Nevertheless, I read the EA and it is flawed in several areas. I might comment, but NPS never listens to anyone anyway.
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 30, 2012 - 12:42am PT
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"IF" they cut the cables there will be death.
The non climbing nooBs will try anything to get up and down there ......
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